16 responses to “Things That Don’t Go Away: Race and Science Fiction (Part I) by Sarah Zettel”

  1. Jay Tomio

    Someone was kind enough to alert me to an initial (literally!) error and I corrected it. I should have caught it when I put it up!

  2. Trinuviel

    It’s very interesting to get a historical overview of how the genre evolved in th US – very well done Sarah.

    I have recently followed (but not participated) the “Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM” that exploded out of a PoC’s open letter to Elizabeth Bear – watching an initially articulate debate on this very important subject devolve into a flame-war with lots of hurt all around has been very disheartening. Elizabeth Bear is one of my recent discoveries and I really felt that she handled the critique of her work very graciously and I can certainly understand why her temper finally snapped and she removed herself from the deabte.

    I am looking forward to your next colum.

  3. Jay Tomio

    I’d be interested in the sources Ms. Zettel is using. If it read, told to her by others etc – I must admit that though I collect pulps from the era, I’m not at all brushed up in SF history.

  4. Sarah Zettel

    Trinuviel: It’s a perpetual problem. This issue more than any other (except possibly religion in SF)raises a great deal of feeling on all sides and it is very easy for it to devolve into a shouting match. However, I think we’re better for having the discussion, even if it gets difficult. I do believe there are things in the genre that need to change, and without the conversation nothing will change at all.

    Jay: This is one of those cases where I haven’t got sources to give you. Almost everything I’ve got here is coming from personal conversation with various primary sources, including and especially William Tenn, who wrote for and with Campbell back in the day (and who personally annoyed Heinlein with his review of Time Enough for Love), and my father, Len Zettel, who was a part of “organized fandom” from waaaaay back in the day (he attended the first Hugo Awards banquet, so you don’t have to wonder where I get it from), and convention panels too numerous to mention listening to folks like Judith Merrill, and, of course, my own opinions of the matter.

  5. Trinuviel

    For me the whole discussion was very illuminating and thought-provoking and you’re prefectly right that we can’t change things without debate. But I sometimes feel that these very ideologically and emotionally freighted debates very easily devolves into the kind of flame-war we witnessed last week precisely because there’s this built-in distance and anonymity online. There’s a tremendous risk of misinterpretation when debating sensitive subjects in a forum only relying on the written word but with the possiblity of replying instantly. I have seen a similar debate (on gender and sexuality) played out in the Danish press (mainly news papers) and while the subject was sensitive and people got angry, the delay inherent in the publishing process kept a lid on the worst temper, which meant that the anger didn’t derail the entire debate. This is why this recent debate online was so disheartening to witness – because it ended up with a lot of hurt and a lot of anger and no feeling of progress. At least, that’s what it looks like to me – some people have simply removed themselves entirely from the debate while others a busy nursing their anger and hurt. And it makes my a little heart-sick. Then again, I do have a tendency to depression so it might just be me having a dark moment.

  6. MattD

    It will be interesting to see where the subsequent parts of this article go. My sense — bearing in mind that this is just Part 1 and I may be wrong — is that the premise may be problematic, in two main ways.

    First, in the way it so far seems to ignore the points of many of the postings linked to via MetaFilter. That is, I don’t know if anyone has actually expressed surprise that these problems still exist in SF even after 70 years, because there is a general awareness that these problems in SF must be understood as symptoms of a larger set of systems and history that have continued to exist after far longer than 70 years. To have that awareness rejected, in lecture voice by a white person no less, and all of the forces at play reduced to the actions of a few isolated people in a Great Man version of the history of SF…well, I’m a white male, and yet I can see how people could be legitimately hurt and offended by this. It’s a diminution of people’s own life experience.

    Second, I’m not sure that words like argument, discussion, and debate are entirely correct orientations towards the bulk of what we’ve had on this subject recently. Not every post on the Internet is an invitation to debate; sometimes, the Internet can be a place to bear witness to a truth, to safely vent anger, to issue a rallying call — to create space. And in that sense, having someone who does not seem to understand the need for this come in and try to redefine the space…well, again, even I can see that this is problematic, a colonization of those attempting to break out of post-colonial bonds.

    This doesn’t mean that a history of this sort isn’t useful in its own way — as a general history, as a personal history, and because understanding is something that needs 360 degrees to happen — but I’m not sure it is flattered by framing it in the context of the recent postings that you linked to. I did not find it so, so far; but as I said I’m curious to see where you go with it.

  7. caleb fox

    Wow! Sarah, your start on this subject is more than impressive. I didn’t know about about your triumvirate, etc. More, please.

    “Minority” races are making their way into American fantasy (in contrast with SF), for instance in the urban fantasies of Charles de Lint. And I am writing a fantasy series about prehistoric Americans, with characters who are necessarily all Native. first title ZADAYI RED coming out in July.

  8. tqft

    As an outsider (non-USian) I find this a fascinating start – can’t wait for your comments on Earthsea (the books) and Deep Space 9 (if you have any particularly Sisko’s alter ego).

  9. Sarah Zettel

    Caleb fox: Thanks. Glad you’re enjoying it so far. Best of luck with your series. Who is publishing it?

    MattD: I agree with you that “great man” theories of history seldom hold water. The exception is in very small communities. Literary SF is part of a big business, but it is in itself, even now, a very small world and back in the 40s it was even smaller. Then it was possible for a handful of individuals to have a very strong effect on the entire genre.

    As to anybody being surprised by the current state of play…well, I remain surprised by it, frankly. Given the changes in proportional representation of women and US minorities in the larger US literary environment, the fact that there has been comparitively little movement inside SF still kind of blows my mind. It ocurred to me if I was still perplexed by it, others might be as well, and that an examination as to the root causes of this intractibility, some of which are unique to SF, might be useful.

    The presentation of race/gender/culture in US SF is, I believe, a legitimate discussion, but I didn’t see what I could add by takling the most recent iteration of the debate head on (for one thing it’s poor manners to start a fire in your host’s house). Again, what I thought I might be able to do is have a look at some of the root causes of the situation that are unique to US SF. After all, if you want to find your way out of a situation, it is generally helpful to know how you got into it.

    I will freely admit that what is being presented here is my interpretation of my own understanding of events. I will also freely admit I could be entirely wrong. I offer up these ideas for what they are worth, and in the hope they’ll add to understanding of the genre, warts and all.

  10. Dave Truesdale

    Ms. Zettel says: “John W. Campbell Jr. was not a writer. He was an editor.”

    John W. Campbell, Jr. was very much a writer before he became editor of Astounding. He wrote at least five (short) novels and at least a collection’s worth of short stories, “Twilight” perhaps being his most famous short work. It was voted one of The Greatest Stories of All Time by SFWA and showed up in the SF Hall of Fame, ed. Robert Silverberg.

    Just to set the record straight on this one factual error. :-)

  11. Sarah Zettel

    Dave, you are absolutely correct. He did publish original fiction (he is also rumored to have rewritten some of his contributor’s work, including writing the famous last paragraph of “Nightfall”). However, his real influence was pretty much entirely as an editor, and he edited much more than he was a writer. But I’m probably splitting hairs here.

  12. Craig Gidney

    I’m glad that this is being discussed. As an author of speculative fiction, one of my pet peeves is that people, upon learning that I write the stuff, immediately think I’m writing about hobbits and elves, as if people of color don’t our own rich fantasy traditions and tropes and folklore to draw from.

  13. Jeff

    I was dragged, kicking and crying out for my Mama, into the discussion about the Discussion About RaceFail 09. Ye gods, but it’s sticky in there. I was on John Scalzi’s “Whatever” site, reading and commenting on Mary Anne Mohanraj’s two part essay on how to characterize People of color. Her second part was really great. I would say insightful, but she is already inside, looking out.

    I appreciate being able to (read others) address a small part of the whole with this column. Thank you, Ms. Zettel. I think we have an advantage in Michigan. Due to the weather, we certainly have the time to be more insightful.

  14. Gary Farber

    “John W. Campbell Jr. was not a writer.”

    In a technical sense, yes.

    But Don A. Stuart was one of the most acclaimed writers in the field before John W. Campbell was hired to replace F. Orlin Tremaine.

    Arcot, Morey and Wade were among the most popular sf characters in their day, as was, of course, the series of stories Campbell wrote about them. “Twilight” was one of the most acclaimed stories of its day. “Who Goes There,” along with being endlessly anthologized, has been made into two successful films and is now being remade again.

    In short, John W. Campbell, under the name “Don A. Stuart,” and then under his own name, was as successful,. and famous, and popular, as an sf writer writing within the genre of the field in the early Thirties could possibly have been.

    So I boggle at your statement that “John W. Campbell Jr. was not a writer.” This just couldn’t be more wrong.

    Sorry for the belatedness of this comment, but I only just ran across this piece of yours.

  15. Gary Farber

    Okay, I see Dave Truesdale addressed this, but this simply is wrong, as well: “However, his real influence was pretty much entirely as an editor,”

    Yes, in the long term, he was far more influential as an editor than as a writer now. But in the thirties, his Arcot, Wade, and Morey stories were immensely influential in creating the genre of space opera. And his Don A. Stuart stories were immensely influential in creating the kind of sf where tone and setting were far more important than crashing action and cardboard characters.

    As a writer, he was immensely influential in the history of the field. You simply have to be familiar with the sf of the Twenties and Thirties to realize this, and I gather you’re not, perhaps, as strong in that area as you are in later sf. (Which is perfectly understandable, of course; I just wanted to set the record straight here, and hope you’ll forgive me for writing so belatedly and strongly.)

  16. Eugene Allen Wilson

    As an upcoming black science fiction author, I am convinced that science fiction novels, television programs and movies should reflect the enormous amount of cultural and ethnic diversity in our society. Many science fiction themes promote the idea of exploring new worlds and new civilizations, while overcoming great difficulties and odds during the process.

    Many people are uncomfortable with a more diverse science fiction cast. This is most unfortunate. Our society, like technology, is ever changing. The Internet is providing an outlet for science fiction authors regardless of their race or color. The days of the 1950s style of science fiction with the weak, helpless screaming white woman, John Wayne-type macho man with ray guns and the monster/alien/brain or whatever from out-of-space mentality are gone. Peace.

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