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	<title>Comments on: Things That Don&#8217;t Go Away: Race and Science Fiction (Part II) by Sarah Zettel</title>
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		<title>By: Sharon E. Dreyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon E. Dreyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article! Did you know that when the first episodes of Star Trek were being produced there was quite a bit of trial and error with Spock&#039;s makeup. Originally Vulcans were to have red skin, but since most people still had black and white televisions, the skin color was changed to green. The reason for this was that they didn&#039;t Spock to appear to be black as they wanted Vulcans to be distinctly alien.

The temperature in San Antonio, Texas is 102 degrees in the afternoon these days. I&#039;ll Bet Brownsville is even hotter. Stay cool and read more science fiction. Check out my first and recently released novel, Long Journey to Rneadal. This exciting tale is a romantic action adventure in space and is more about the characters than the technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article! Did you know that when the first episodes of Star Trek were being produced there was quite a bit of trial and error with Spock&#8217;s makeup. Originally Vulcans were to have red skin, but since most people still had black and white televisions, the skin color was changed to green. The reason for this was that they didn&#8217;t Spock to appear to be black as they wanted Vulcans to be distinctly alien.</p>
<p>The temperature in San Antonio, Texas is 102 degrees in the afternoon these days. I&#8217;ll Bet Brownsville is even hotter. Stay cool and read more science fiction. Check out my first and recently released novel, Long Journey to Rneadal. This exciting tale is a romantic action adventure in space and is more about the characters than the technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is notable that it was TV that broke the color barrier earlier and more firmly than movies.&quot;

Respectfully, this is also completely wrong.  The integration of African-Americans into mainstream films began in 1949; see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/movies.htm#integration&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for a long list of examples, such as :    
    * Cry, the Beloved Country,  1951
    * Go Man Go, 1954
    * Goodby, My Lady, 1956
    * Edge of the City, 1957
    * Something of Value, 1957
    * The Defiant Ones, 1958, with Tony Curtis
    * Porgy and Bess, 1959
    * Paris Blues, 1961
    * A Raisin in the Sun, 1961
    * Pressure Point, 1962 
# Lilies of the Field, 1963 *
# The Bedford Incident, 1965
# A Patch of Blue, 1965 

And that&#039;s just with Sidney Poitier!   Continuing to quote: &lt;blockquotE&gt; [...] Harry Belafonte, Mel Ferrer, and Inger Stevens starred in The World, The Flesh and the Devil in 1959; Odds Against Tomorrow, also in 1959, starred Harry Belafonte with Robert Ryan, Shelley Winters, Cicely Tyson, and Carmen DeLavallade. The classic film, Nothing But a Man, came out in 1963 starring Ivan Dixon, Abbey Lincoln, and Gloria Foster. In 1964, interracial romance and marriage was the plot of One Potato, Two Potato, starring Bernie Hamilton and Barbara Barrie. Miss Barrie won the best actress award for the film at the Cannes Film Festival. In 1964, Hollywood produced Black Like Me, a movie based upon the true life experience and book written by John Howard Griffin published in 1961. The movie version starred James Whitmore as John Howard Griffin and Roscoe Lee Brown. The Jazz musician world was brought to the silver screen when Louis Armstrong, Frank Sinatra Jr., Ossie Davis, Cicely Tyson, Mel Torme, and Peter Lawford appeared together in A Man Called Adam in 1966. Also in 1966, Woody Strode, the veteran actor, appeared in The Professionals along with Claudia Cardinal and Lee Marvin, and 1967 saw Al Freeman Jr. and Shirley Knight in The Dutchman.  &lt;/blockquotE&gt; And so on.

Whereas &lt;i&gt;I, Spy&lt;/i&gt; the first drama to respectfully portray an African-American as an equal to a light-skinned American didn&#039;t come on the air until 1965, and &lt;i&gt;Star Trek&lt;/i&gt;, in which Uhura was a minor role, until 1966.  &lt;i&gt;Julia&lt;/i&gt;, the first American tv show to respectfully show and individual &lt;i&gt;star&lt;/i&gt; an African-American didn&#039;t premiere until 1968.

Before that, all there was on American tv by way of African-Americans were &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beulah_(series)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beulah&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; -- originally portrayed by white actresses, in which she played a servant, and &lt;i&gt;Amos &#039;n Andy&lt;/i&gt;.  

Outside drama and sitcoms, there was the brief blip of &lt;i&gt;The Nat King Cole&lt;/i&gt; variety show in 1957, but that only lasted a few months, and wasn&#039;t a drama.  And that&#039;s it for tv and African-Americans until the late Sixties.  So movies definitely came way before tv in leading the way for African-Americans to play major roles, speak out against racism, and star in vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is notable that it was TV that broke the color barrier earlier and more firmly than movies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully, this is also completely wrong.  The integration of African-Americans into mainstream films began in 1949; see <a href="http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/movies.htm#integration" rel="nofollow">here</a> for a long list of examples, such as :<br />
    * Cry, the Beloved Country,  1951<br />
    * Go Man Go, 1954<br />
    * Goodby, My Lady, 1956<br />
    * Edge of the City, 1957<br />
    * Something of Value, 1957<br />
    * The Defiant Ones, 1958, with Tony Curtis<br />
    * Porgy and Bess, 1959<br />
    * Paris Blues, 1961<br />
    * A Raisin in the Sun, 1961<br />
    * Pressure Point, 1962<br />
# Lilies of the Field, 1963 *<br />
# The Bedford Incident, 1965<br />
# A Patch of Blue, 1965 </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just with Sidney Poitier!   Continuing to quote:<br />
<blockquote> [...] Harry Belafonte, Mel Ferrer, and Inger Stevens starred in The World, The Flesh and the Devil in 1959; Odds Against Tomorrow, also in 1959, starred Harry Belafonte with Robert Ryan, Shelley Winters, Cicely Tyson, and Carmen DeLavallade. The classic film, Nothing But a Man, came out in 1963 starring Ivan Dixon, Abbey Lincoln, and Gloria Foster. In 1964, interracial romance and marriage was the plot of One Potato, Two Potato, starring Bernie Hamilton and Barbara Barrie. Miss Barrie won the best actress award for the film at the Cannes Film Festival. In 1964, Hollywood produced Black Like Me, a movie based upon the true life experience and book written by John Howard Griffin published in 1961. The movie version starred James Whitmore as John Howard Griffin and Roscoe Lee Brown. The Jazz musician world was brought to the silver screen when Louis Armstrong, Frank Sinatra Jr., Ossie Davis, Cicely Tyson, Mel Torme, and Peter Lawford appeared together in A Man Called Adam in 1966. Also in 1966, Woody Strode, the veteran actor, appeared in The Professionals along with Claudia Cardinal and Lee Marvin, and 1967 saw Al Freeman Jr. and Shirley Knight in The Dutchman.  </p></blockquote>
<p> And so on.</p>
<p>Whereas <i>I, Spy</i> the first drama to respectfully portray an African-American as an equal to a light-skinned American didn&#8217;t come on the air until 1965, and <i>Star Trek</i>, in which Uhura was a minor role, until 1966.  <i>Julia</i>, the first American tv show to respectfully show and individual <i>star</i> an African-American didn&#8217;t premiere until 1968.</p>
<p>Before that, all there was on American tv by way of African-Americans were <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beulah_(series)" rel="nofollow">Beulah</a></i> &#8212; originally portrayed by white actresses, in which she played a servant, and <i>Amos &#8216;n Andy</i>.  </p>
<p>Outside drama and sitcoms, there was the brief blip of <i>The Nat King Cole</i> variety show in 1957, but that only lasted a few months, and wasn&#8217;t a drama.  And that&#8217;s it for tv and African-Americans until the late Sixties.  So movies definitely came way before tv in leading the way for African-Americans to play major roles, speak out against racism, and star in vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Zettel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Zettel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wild Seed is a good spot to start.  Also Kindred.  Parable of the Sower is great, but alas, she was never able to finish the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wild Seed is a good spot to start.  Also Kindred.  Parable of the Sower is great, but alas, she was never able to finish the series.</p>
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		<title>By: Trinuviel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trinuviel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the recommendations. Is there anything in particular by Butler that you could recommend as a place to start?</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Zettel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Zettel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Octavia Butler is brilliant, and much missed.  LeGuin&#039;s LATHE OF HEAVEN is the book I recommend to folks who are just starting to get into science fiction.  You might also want to check out any or all of the following:  Nisi Shawl, Tianreeve Due, Steve Barnes, Tobias Buckell, and, of course, Samuel Delaney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Octavia Butler is brilliant, and much missed.  LeGuin&#8217;s LATHE OF HEAVEN is the book I recommend to folks who are just starting to get into science fiction.  You might also want to check out any or all of the following:  Nisi Shawl, Tianreeve Due, Steve Barnes, Tobias Buckell, and, of course, Samuel Delaney</p>
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		<title>By: Trinuviel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trinuviel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come very late to le Guin (mainly Earthsea) but I fell in love with her writing right away. On eof the things that I really liked about the books were the fact that they were firmly centered in a world where whiteness was the default mode. I have yet to read her sci-fi but am looking forward to it. Octavia Butler is another prominent female sci-fi writer that&#039;s on my TRP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come very late to le Guin (mainly Earthsea) but I fell in love with her writing right away. On eof the things that I really liked about the books were the fact that they were firmly centered in a world where whiteness was the default mode. I have yet to read her sci-fi but am looking forward to it. Octavia Butler is another prominent female sci-fi writer that&#8217;s on my TRP.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Zettel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Zettel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it was beyond criminal what they did to Earthsea.  After seeing what they did to LATHE OF HEAVEN, I didn&#039;t watch, but I heard all about it.

The second book of the Earthsea series, The Tombs of Atuan was the book that convinced me I wanted to become a writer. If there are other Earthsea fans out there, you might want to check this out:

http://blip.tv/file/1721545

It&#039;s Ms. LeGuin (who I am proud to say is a member of Book View Cafe) reading from Earthsea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it was beyond criminal what they did to Earthsea.  After seeing what they did to LATHE OF HEAVEN, I didn&#8217;t watch, but I heard all about it.</p>
<p>The second book of the Earthsea series, The Tombs of Atuan was the book that convinced me I wanted to become a writer. If there are other Earthsea fans out there, you might want to check this out:</p>
<p><a href="http://blip.tv/file/1721545" rel="nofollow">http://blip.tv/file/1721545</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s Ms. LeGuin (who I am proud to say is a member of Book View Cafe) reading from Earthsea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tomio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tomio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, I remember the fallout from that with LeGuin making very public comments (essays/articles) about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, I remember the fallout from that with LeGuin making very public comments (essays/articles) about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Gidney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Gidney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Hollywood--or the SciFi Channel--did to LeGuin&#039;s Earthsea books--is horrible.  I shudder to think what they&#039;d do to Octavia Butler&#039;s work if given the chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Hollywood&#8211;or the SciFi Channel&#8211;did to LeGuin&#8217;s Earthsea books&#8211;is horrible.  I shudder to think what they&#8217;d do to Octavia Butler&#8217;s work if given the chance!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Zettel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Zettel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The series was enormously popular when it was on, and Morris was a great favorite.  Like Lt. Uhura on the Original Star Trek and Bill Cosby&#039;s character on I Spy, he was a real ground breaker.  It is notable that it was TV that broke the color barrier earlier and more firmly than movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The series was enormously popular when it was on, and Morris was a great favorite.  Like Lt. Uhura on the Original Star Trek and Bill Cosby&#8217;s character on I Spy, he was a real ground breaker.  It is notable that it was TV that broke the color barrier earlier and more firmly than movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tomio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tomio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is unrelated to SF, but I recently watched the original Mission Impossible TV series and I was wondering at this time (which admittedly seems late) was such a role that Greg Morris played considered abnormal or something spoken of as such? Looking at it now, it looks perfectly innocent (and he was a pretty essential character who actually was a bit of the tech whiz), but perhaps an &#039;older&#039; reader knows?

I ask not knowing if or how popular this series was when it was actually on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is unrelated to SF, but I recently watched the original Mission Impossible TV series and I was wondering at this time (which admittedly seems late) was such a role that Greg Morris played considered abnormal or something spoken of as such? Looking at it now, it looks perfectly innocent (and he was a pretty essential character who actually was a bit of the tech whiz), but perhaps an &#8216;older&#8217; reader knows?</p>
<p>I ask not knowing if or how popular this series was when it was actually on.</p>
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