16 responses to “Things That Don’t Go Away – Off to See the Wizard by Sarah Zettel”

  1. Jay Tomio

    I love Oz!

    I was wondering what do you feel about a contemporary in Barrie’s Pan?

  2. Sarah Zettel

    I think Pan’s harder to update. Don’t get me wrong, I love Peter Pan. Spent hours reading it, and have actually read the prequel, but it’s got 2 problems, okay, it’s got 3… among it’s problems are… The first is that Neverland just doesn’t have the scope or the marvelous weirdness of Oz. And the second is, gender balance. The lost boys are all, well, boys. In the original girls are specifically excluded (because they’re too smart, but still, excluded is excluded) and there’s the whole business of wanting Wendy around to be their mother…then, of course, there’s the Indians, which would also have to be dealt with somehow.

  3. Sarah Zettel

    So, Jay, why do you love Oz?

  4. Jay Tomio

    I’m afraid it’s not as complex or gifted with hindsight explanations. I was hooked really young and simply never let go. My appreciation for source material came as an adult, but the film just hit me at a time where as a kid you still ran to find the other end of the rainbow (even if it was for a pot of gold and not home). It’s not built on interpretations of an adult (gold standards and such).

    It’s simply the first adventure I went on and in a way I think that probably isn’t possible anymore. When I was a kid, you caught stuff on television or not at all. Sure you had some Beta Max tapes, but at this time seeing Oz on TV was a bit of a ‘event’. Literally as a child of the, 80′s your television window was probably only a couple hours a day at the most(rather be outside), so everything you watched was something more than the in-demand entertainment of today.

    Plus, a kid I was into cartoons, and though obviously unrealistic, Oz had REAL people which made it unique. I had no idea that Dorothy was actually 60+ years old when I was watching it – it’s timeless.

    Anytime I hear Garland’s “Somewhere over the Rainbow” I’m kind of reminded of fun, pure adventure, and what without question played a pivotal roll on why I run a site like this one. For me it’s kind of like the opening scene in ‘A New Hope’, Plenty of people like the material, but there are some of us who have been effected by the of first glimpse of a Star Destroyer or a Kansas girl and her dog that continually have us searching for material to capture or be captured in such a way again. All that I meet and learn on the way, I owe to them.

    Silly, but that’s why I love Oz.

  5. Trinuviel

    Jay, you just reminded me of the intense enjoyment I had when I watched the first StarWars movie (which apparently now is the fourth) as a child! This movie is exactly as old as I am, it is the very first movie I remember watching and I still recall the my intense feelings of excitement and suspense as squirmed through Luke’s final approach to blow up the Death Star. It is still my favorite among this series for exactly those reasons (plus I didn’t get to see the two sequels until years and years later). I was six years old and I loved the adventure of it- I simultaneously wanted to be Luke Skywalker and had a big crush on him.

  6. Jay Tomio

    You know what’s weird to me is that we (a broad observation, and perhaps a bad one) is that we (speaking as a straight dude) tend to gravitate toward Harrison Ford character more as we get older. Of course he’s our favorite character, of course we would be the rebel, of course we’d be the guy with coolest car, who gets the princess. As a kid though, it never even crossed my mind that you’d want to be anybody but Luke (well, maybe Lando – that dude was pimp).

    I sometimes wonder if that’s progress or getting lost (though Han certainly is not a bad model). I’ve found myself very much lately trying to remove myself from avoiding simple good or what I enjoy in the name of progress, and it shows through different media I enjoy.

    Luke Skywalker was cool. As cool as Severian on his best day.

  7. Trinuviel

    Well, speaking from my point of view – as a teen I discovered that Harrison Ford had much more sex appeal than Mark Hamill.

    In terms of psychology, I think that the Luke Skywalker character functions as such an archetypical coming-of-age hero that he was easy to identify with as a young child. As a six-year old I most certainly not identify with the female heroine. It just didn’t register with me that as a girl I was supposed to identify with her – I had some very heated arguments in school with the boys because I didn’t want to be the princess waiting to be rescued! Luke was the young man developing into a hero and almost all my play-mates, boys and girls, identified with him. Then in the teenage years all the girls discovered that Han Solo was HOT!

  8. Jay Tomio

    Given hindsight, Leia is actually a pretty strong character. I’m not going to say she broke molds (as I’m just not enough of an film buff beyond my lifetime to say that), but as I look back it had to be first for me.

    - She survives torture by Vader who probably zipped into conscious as a badass faster than any character in cinematic history (other than perhaps the Wicked Witch!). Just in ‘New Hope”:

    - she mocks both Vader and they in charge of the “that’s no moon”

    - she takes control of the situation during the firefight with the storm troopers

    - she is (as we know it) not only a Senator in the ‘existing’ government, but a leader of the Rebel Alliance

    In ROJ she has the classic, “thermal detonator!” scene as she walks in Jabba palace, and of course later kills him (physically).

    Absolutely though, then she was ‘to be rescued’, but I think you see of the duality even in spoofs like Spaceballs.

    As we later learn the efficiency of Vader (through movies, novels – or whatever) her ability to withstand Vader in a New Hope (remember Vader read Luke with ease in ROTJ – and his son had been trained) is somewhat augmented.

    I think for me the only other time I was consciously aware of a strong female characters – as a kid was – in Robotech. I had read that she was an influence on Weaver’s character in Alien(s) (which made her a full blown action hero).

    It honestly never struck me that Ford would be ‘hot’. Was Ford really that kind of pimp in his younger days? it’s hard for me to doubt Indiana Jones, but I may have just been young to even think on those terms!

  9. Trinuviel

    Jay, I totally agree with you that Princess Leia was a strong character – but it was something that I only saw as I got older. As a teen I appreaciated that she was a kick-ass heroine, and I loved her romance with Solo.

    In terms of sexiness, I think it was more the character of Solo than Ford that was attractive – the appeal of the charming rogue is not to be underestimated. But I do find it very interesting how the different characters has provided various points of identification and psychological investment that changes with age, and it is something that I feel is very much tied up with their function in the narrative. As the young hero coming of age Luke provides a point of identification that can cross gender-boundaries whereas Solo and Leia, due to the element of romance, are more convential in terms of gendered identification.

    George Lucas was very much inspired by the Joseph Campbell’s work on the structures of myth and it could be very interesting to take a closer look on some of these issues.

  10. Jay Tomio

    I’d say he was obsessed with Campbell myself!

    You know what sales Solo even more for me? It’s Chewie. AT the time (as a kid) it’s hard to not view Chewie (at least initially) like you would a pet (obviously he was much, much more than that) and we always kind of have that notion that dogs or animals can judge people. Chewie trusts Han (handcuffs scenes etc.)

    Later we know that Wookies have been cast into slavery (Deathstar among other things) and the origins the relationship itself, and we view Han as a character that has a certain moral compass as it applies to race, species etc (in an Empire which was very much human dominated, and at least passively anti-’alien’)

    I know that trek dealt with these issues long before, but even as a kid it made sense on a lot of levels that Solo was good ‘joe’ that got swept up in what was essentially a very myth/storytelling like beginnings of a dynastic feud that took on galactic significance.

  11. Sarah Zettel

    I have only one thing to say about A New Hope (’cause I’m saving it up for a column):

    HAN SHOT FIRST!

  12. Jay Tomio

    The real reason of Solo’s enshrinement in the hall of awesome!

    Can’t wait!

  13. Trinuviel

    I’ve always marvelled at Chewbacca’s aptitude as a mechanic – one would think that all that long hair of his would snag on and get tangled in the more delicate parts of the amchiner. *wink*

  14. Trinuviel

    I mean machinery, can’t type today.

  15. Jay Tomio

    Wookies in general were known to be very mechanically inclined as a whole. Probably another message/statement when considering their homeworld/physical characteristics.

  16. Sarah Zettel

    That scene was a revelation to me at 10 yrs. old, which was when I saw A New Hope (when it opened in the theaters may I add), which I persist to referring to as “The 1st Star Wars,” because it WAS.

    I find it really interesting that we’ve gone straight from Oz to Star Wars. It’s not a juxtaposition I would have thought of before, and yet it a weird way it really fits.

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